Ted Paul is approved by AKC to judge Collies,
Shetland Sheepdogs, Pembroke and
Cardigan Welsh Corgis, and Junior Handling.
He has not had a judging
assignment – specialty or all-breed – since
2007.
Recently, Ted and his wife very publicly aligned
themselves with and bequeathed their entire
estate to H$U$, the largest domestic animal
exterminationist
animal “rights” group in the world. It would
animal “rights” group in the world. It would
seem that Mr. Paul is no longer interested in
future show judging assignments. All fanciers
involved with Collies, Shelties, Corgis, and
involved with Collies, Shelties, Corgis, and
Junior Showmen – the future of the purebred
dog fancy – should be made aware of Mr. Paul’s
affiliations and now public agenda.
Those of us who cherish our pets, as well as
affiliations and now public agenda.
Those of us who cherish our pets, as well as
the rights of our future generations to enjoy
the human / animal bond in like manner, might
well be shocked and outraged by Mr. Paul’s
actions. How could anyone so involved with dogs
as to become an AKC-licensed judge support
H$U$, much less bequeath an entire and
apparently sizable estate to such an organization?
We must remember that courting dog world
We must remember that courting dog world
insiders such as Mr. Paul is a political tactic often
used by the Aristas to garner publicity and confuse
the uninitiated. The H$U$, already a multi-billion
the uninitiated. The H$U$, already a multi-billion
dollar organization, is more likely interested in the
Pauls for their standing in the purebred dog fancy
than in the hefty estate holdings they may have to
bequeath. Could it be that the already well-funded
bequeath. Could it be that the already well-funded
H$U$ gave or promised the Pauls “an offer they
couldn’t refuse” in exchange for the use of
their names and personas as “generous donators”?
Whether the Pauls are merely victims of ARista
their names and personas as “generous donators”?
Whether the Pauls are merely victims of ARista
propaganda or strong arm tactics will likely never
be known to anyone but the Pauls themselves
and a few key players in the AR movement.
and a few key players in the AR movement.
What we do know, however, is that the H$U$ is
making a very public showing of having captured
people whom the purebred dog fancy has
considered “one of our own”.
AKC and the Collie Club of America now hold
AKC and the Collie Club of America now hold
the proverbial ball in their court. We sincerely
hope, in the desperate interest of the protection
and future of the purebred fancy, that both
and future of the purebred fancy, that both
organizations have progressed beyond the stage
of ignoring this kind of threat and hoping
it will all just go away.
it will all just go away.
One thing we can promise: it won’t.
Therefore, we must address practical and
immediate steps to take.
What are the options for AKC and CCA?
What are the options for individuals who
participate and support the interests of AKC
and CCA?
What legal recourse is possible when a
prominent member publicly chooses to
identify with an institution dedicated
to exterminating purebred dogs?
What kinds of objections can AKC member
clubs and individual CCA members file to
protest continuing affiliation with and by
the Pauls?
What procedures do the clubs have to assert
their dissatisfaction with the Pauls’ stance?
If these organizations do not have provisions
for disassociating themselves from members
who proclaim allegiance to animal
extremist groups, it is time to initiate some.
It has already been widely stated on internet
extremist groups, it is time to initiate some.
It has already been widely stated on internet
chat groups and within smaller affiliated clubs
that Ted Paul should immediately be stripped
of his AKC judging license and ousted from
the CCA.
What suggestions and solutions do you propose?
Tags: AKC judge, Collie Club Of America, HSUS, Ted Paul dog judge
March 3, 2009 at 12:35 am
Almost any club of any sort would not keep as a member or representative someone who engages in activity or actively supports interests in direct conflict with the purpose of that club. Certainly there are ethics expected to be upheld by AKC judges as well as by national breed club members. Such ethics always begin with protecting the interests and advancment of purebred dogs — not really possible when you’re working with a group that is trying to do away with them! I see no reason whatsoever why the AKC and the CCA should hesitate one second in disassociating themselves from this individual.
March 3, 2009 at 12:49 am
I am very upset..not to mention disillusioned that one of our own..a well known and up to this point anyway, well respected AKC judge would so betray the purebred fancy and all owners of purebred dogs everywhere by aligning himself with a well known Animal rights organization like Hsus. Mr Paul how could you do it? He says he has been closely affiliated with them for many years..oh my Goodness!! If this is true, then he MUST know what their real agenda is which is the cestation of all breeding of dogs by hobby breeders (these are the breeders who’s pups are born in the house and who treat their dogs and their offspring(puppies) like members of the family). I am a hobby breeder, I breed to produce the soundest, healthiest dogs I can. I test my dogs to be sure they are healthy and sound. I show my dogs in both obedience and conformation and I screen my buyers carefully to insure my puppies are going to good, caring homes. Mr. Paul must realise this truth about Hsus, yet he aligns himself with them SHAME!! I have shown under Mr. Paul in the past..I always admired him. I feel betrayed. He is a TRAITOR to the very facny who has supported him over the years by giving him judging assignments in both Canada and the U.S.
He should be stripped of his liciense to judge dogs and ousted as a member of the Collie Club of America. Shame on you Mr. Paul..SHAME SHAME!!
March 3, 2009 at 12:54 am
Johanna your are absolutely correct. The man has shown he has NO ETHICS by the company he has aligned him self with he is an ARista..and needs to be publicly stripped of any and all association with the world of purebred dogs.
March 3, 2009 at 1:01 am
I just learned that the Collie Club of America placed a “gag order”
(I didn’t know dog clubs did such things!) on all of it’s board members and directors concerning the activities and associations of Mr Paul. That leaves only two possible conclusions: either the club itself is being run by “closet” Animal Rights people, or the good folk who are running it have been threatened. It wouldn’t be the first time Animal Rights interests have used threats to keep dog owners, and especially breeders and fanciers from openly opposing them.
March 3, 2009 at 1:16 am
The president of the CCA lives in Connecticut. Isn’t that the same place the Stepford Wives were created? I agree, someone has been threatened…big time.
March 3, 2009 at 5:25 am
I agree, and this knowledge of his AR involvement is certainly not new. And how has the fancy and the National club of the breed he is shafting responded, they gave him the ultimate ohonor of judging our beloved Collies at the last MA National. Now the imposed gag order is imposed and I can only assume they are all hoping this outrage will dissipate.
I do not think so this time. The very future of our breed and all breeds is at risk and there are too many to silence. If our National Club has one shred of decency they will address his actions of betrayal of the sport of dogs (#12 of the Code of Ethics should do it), encourage AKC to remove his privilege to judge, censure him swiftly and harshly and remove him from membership.
It would be nice to know that the people elected as guardians of the breed by virtue of their leadership in the National Club would take a stand against this immediately. I personally do not care what Mr Paul has to say for himself I think he has already spoken.
March 3, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Here’s the scoop Bram;
Bob Futh, the president of the Collie Club of America
is an old buddy of Ted Paul. Because of this old buddy
status with the prez, this animal rights windbag is having
his personal free speech guarded by a BAN on free speech
placed on all the people elected by the membership to
represent the best interests of the Collie!
Yep, that’s right — The CCA president has
proclaimed that the defenders of the Collie must be
forcibly silenced so this pet exterminationist
supporter can continue to speak against the interests of
Collies as well as all domestic animals without objection
from anyone in the CCA!
With this sort of lunacy in place, the HSUS didn’t even
have to lift a finger to shove this particular breed club
right flat on it’s face .
Problem is, this time the CCA good old boys are also
messing with the rights and freedoms of the entire dog fancy,
not to mention the cat fancy, the livestock owners, the farmers,
and every other faction of our society targeted by the Arista
threat. Bob and his good buddy Ted may think they’re just
having fun getting their names in the paper, but what they’re
in fact doing to the purebred dog fancy as well as their own
breed club is unconscionable. CCA needs to oust ALL of the
good old boys and take back their breed club, and AKC needs
to strip them ALL of the privileges they’re abusing.
March 3, 2009 at 3:42 pm
This is beyond nuts. There have been a lot of outrageous events and
circumstances to rock the Collie world, but this one may be the
ball-buster. Sure, he can have free speech, but not at the expense of
the organizations he is supposed to be a member of and all that goes
along with membership. He can speak as an individual citizen; he cannot
represent AKC or CCA sideways, straight on, from inside out or any which
way. That’s the stance that needs to be taken: as a private citizen of
this country, he is entitled to all of his opinions. But he cannot lean
on his affiliations to make others assume those affiliations are in
agreement with him. And the organizations must separate him from them to show the others he represents only himself. He can call himself a former fancier, a former judge, etc. That’s fine. The organizations must
disavow his actions and words or run the risk of losing any integrity
and autonomy and authority they wish to maintain.
March 3, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Not only should Bob and Ted be denounced AND ousted from CCA/AKC but the CCA should have its AKC club membership revoked since it is supporting the very things that AKC is *supposed* to be fighting.
March 3, 2009 at 7:42 pm
What sickens me is that this even has to be discussed! A national dog breed club protecting a long time and blatently outspoken H$U$ REPRESENTATIVE is simply unconscionable! Ted Paul went before the Oregon State Legislature touting all of his AKC and CCA credentials to represent the H$U$ in driving yet more nails in the coffin of pet ownership and hobby breeding and we are left to “discuss” whether something should be done to oust him? Unbelievable!
March 3, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Bet it sells a lot of books and calendars!!!!!
March 3, 2009 at 10:10 pm
maybe what we need to due is set an example and tell CCA of if they are not going to get involved that they will not be getting entries to the Nationals. We where going to send our Megan to it, but at this point she will not go. michelle
March 3, 2009 at 10:41 pm
As a former Sheltie owner/exhibitor who grew up reading the Terhune books, I am shocked to learn that the CCA tolerates this kind of activity on the part of its’ members. Paul’s conduct in helping create legislation for the animal rights industry is beyond the pale. He cannot truly love collies, let alone other breeds, if he believes in and promotes the work of the H$U$. To learn that the President of the CCA tolerates his friend’s actions, and that a gag order has been placed on the club’s elected Board, is almost beyond belief.
Word to the wise amongst the CCA officials: you would be better off immediately tendering your resignations than to continue serving under these conditions. What do you think the rank and file membership of the Club – and other fanciers – will think about *you* if you continue to remain silent? Or, even if that silence can be enforced legally, if you stay on a Board that has taken away your voice?
March 4, 2009 at 1:47 am
Michelle that is a GREAT idea..If the members of the CCA and all collie breeders/owners/exhibitors on BOTH sides of the border, were to shun the CCA National..maybe that would bring it home to the ‘powers that be’ the ‘good ole boys’ that we mean BUSINESS!!
It would also tell everyone who is serious about fighting ARistas, or who would rather win ribbons and flaunt themselves and their dog/breeding program. In other words it is an opportunity to “put up or shut up”!!
Are we as BREEDERS and FANCIERS willing to forgo a chance to win at the CC of A in our effort to fight AR’s? Or are we just so much noise and no action.
Would make people really look at their priorities..right across both countries!!
March 4, 2009 at 6:53 am
Ted Paul is a brave man to side with organizations that support legislation that will protect animals from those who only care about financial gain. You CARE. Why do you attack someone who cares about animals being treated humanely? It’s frightening how above-the-law you feel.
March 4, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Hello Cares For Animals,
I care very deeply for animals too, as does
everyone who has posted to this blog thus far.
Perhaps your teacher might be able to explain
to you that there are some big organizations
out there that pretend to care for animals as a
way of getting animal lovers to support and
donate to them. In truth, they actually hate
animals and the people who love them as you will
discover if you look closely at their record and
their true agenda. Your teacher might also
be able to explain about the “brave souls”
who use bullying and threats to frighten people
who expose them and don’t want them in their
private clubs. Thus far, the law still protects
people who courageously expose such individuals
and organizations for what they really are, and
it is still very much legal for a private club to
decide who it wants for members.
March 4, 2009 at 5:58 pm
It is critical that AKC and its associates understand that HSUS and it’s many incarnates do not have the interests or welfare of dogs or any animal within its agenda. One must decide which side one is on, that of animal ownership or that of domestic animal extinction. Mr. & Mrs. Paul have made a choice very contrary to the essence of preserving our breeds and I am particulary ashamed this has come from a collie person, no less, a AKC Judge! Collies were once a very maligned breed much like is happening to the bully breeds now. Giving money to the HSUS is like signing the death warrant for all our breeds, one at a time.
March 4, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Cares about animals, it’s sad but true that HSUS is slowly, incrementally working towards the separation of all humanity from all animal life. PeTA is screaming for death NOW to the human-animal bond; HSUS is taking the slower, social engineering, court-mediated route.
HSUS told the courts Michael Vicks’ dogs all needed to be killed; the court believed others instead, and almost all of those dogs were rehabilitated. HSUS told a NC court several weeks ago that scores of puppies, including newborns, and adult dogs taken from a fighting dog kennel were eeevil and vicious, and had to be killed. The NC court believed HSUS and killed over 150 dogs.
HSUS is NOT A GOOD ORGANIZATION. It does NOT believe in saving animal lives. It HATES DOG BREEDERS AND EXHIBITORS. If you think otherwise, you’re not reading, listening or watching the news. Shame on you for calling someone ‘brave’ who sides with a devil disguised as an angel of light.
March 4, 2009 at 9:48 pm
IF someone wants to align themselves with whores, liars, thieves and terrorists – what would you think they are???? My MomMom and Mom always said – you are known by the company you keep!
H$U$ is interested in two things – amassing as much $$ as they can – and separating humans from the rest of the animal world! They HATE animals! They HATE people! AND – they employ both terrorist tactics and terrorists. Ask them about their connection to ALF!!!
Sorry – we still have a few rights left in this country. Although H$U$ appears to have Hitler’s playbook and many of our highly placed politicians in their pockets – the US Constitution still is in effect!
LONG LIVE THE USA!!!
March 5, 2009 at 6:32 am
How very sad that someone who you have trusted and admired has made such a traitorous and misguided decision. Check out what the H$U$ printed about their “gift”. Notice they conveniently left out any mention of his affiliation with AKC and pure bred dogs, making him seem like his “activism” is what has defined him. And very scary that what he is most excited about as far as the H$U$ accomplishments is their push for federal legislation, which AKC has come out opposed to every time. (That alone should be enough to convince AKC to oust him!) Makes you wonder who wants to hide the affiliation…H$U$ or the Pauls. Very sad.
http://www.hsus.org/humane_living/memorial_and_planned_gifts/hsus-special-friends/leaving_their_lifes_work_to_animals.html
March 5, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Ted Paul gave a copy of the testimony he gave in front
of the Oregon state legislature as an HSUS representative
to CCA president Bob Futh as a way of giving evidence to
circulate among the membership that he did not refer to
his AKC or CCA affiliations in supporting his HSUS views.
The problem is, he included ONLY the bodyof the testimony
and NOT the introduction — which constituted two thirds of
his speech and was FULL of references to his AKC and CCA
courant and detailed credentials!!
CCA and AKC are clubs.
Would any other club keep as a member someone who goes
before a state legislature touting their club membership by
way of long winded introduction, then speaking against
everything the club stands for as testimony?
Sure Ted Paul has a right to speak his views. He does not,
however, have a right to falsely reresent the AKC or the
CCA in doing so, not even by proclaiming association; Nor
does he have a right to continue to have an affiliation with
either of those clubs. Both clubs have an obligation to their
codes of ethics and to their remaining memberships to
oust him. Otherwise, they need to change their club
constitution, bylaws, membership requirements, and codes
of ethics.
March 5, 2009 at 8:36 pm
CCA has a history of good old boy officials who flaunt the rules
as it suits them. Thats why a lot of Collie fanciers who really love
the breed are not members. Thats why the AKC had to warn CCA
several years ago to clean up their act or risk not being allowed to
hold their national specialty show that year. Thats why CCA officials
have not even been able to work together well enough to publish a yearbook for several years running now. Its all very embarrassing for those who would like to have a legitimate national club to honestly represent the Collie fancy. This latest behavior, though, of giving a pass to an active and very public member of the biggest anti animal group in the whole freaking world is way beyond embarrassing. It is insane.
If it is not resolved very soon, NO Collie fancier is going to want to be
associated with CCA.
March 6, 2009 at 7:15 am
HB 2470 is a good bill that would require some very basic necessities – such as a reasonable temperature and comfortable cage sizes for the animals in a puppy mill.
HSUS has taken a clear stand on supporting companion animal ownership and responsible breeders that take care of their canine family members. They do not have subversive motives.
Also, I don’t need to talk to my teacher for an explanation – I can read a mission statement and I can read the text of HB 2470, but I can’t read your comments and even hope to understand why you’re so mad.
March 6, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Mr. Paul stated that he was an officer of the American Dog Owners Association…HE IS NOT and has not been since I have been a member and that was early 1990s.
Maureen Hill-Hauch
Executive Director
adoa@yahoo.com
http://www.adoa.org
March 6, 2009 at 11:42 pm
The following past was made by the author on the e-list, LetsDiscussJudging, it is repeated here in its entirety.
“Should Ted and Beverly Paul support HSUS? They can and they should if, as Ted Paul obviously does, they think it’s the best thing to do.
“That does not mean we have to, or in my opinion, should support their efforts. Rather I would like to see AKC remove this man’s license [in my humble opinion, and knowing him personally, it would be no loss to the show world or to the world of Collies] for actions prejudicial to the sport of pure bred dogs. I would like to see the Collie Club of America boot him as well for the same reason. I would like to see his judging totally boycotted by all clear thinking people. I would like to see local clubs notified that if he appears on a judging program you (collectively) will not enter their show, regardless of what breeds he is judging or you are showing.
“I don’t support either PETA or HSUS but I don’t deny Ted and Beverly Paul the right to do so … mistaken as I think that is. We’re a diverse country; we, as a people, often see subjects from several different points of view. But the right to belong to whatever group you wish [provided they do not attempt the overthrow of our government] is one of the strengths of this proud land. It doesn’t mean that although you have the right to join a group, I have to support the group; I may support your right but not your choice!
“I wish that AKC, UKC, CKC, and the other registries would unite in their efforts to mount an aggressive attack against HSUS and PETA rather than worrying about their portion of the dog show/registry “turf”. At the rate that HSUS and PETA collect money, there will be no dog show “turf” if the various registries do not become “pro-active” and cease to permit HSUS and PETA to call the shots.
“I would like to see every member of this list write AKC to demand that they take action against the enemy … and I believe HSUS to be an enemy to our way of life. I would also urge each and every member of this list to write to their US Senators, US Representative, Secretaries of Agriculture and Commerce, Governor,State Legislators, County Supervisors, Mayor, City Council Members, to make your position known.
“Unless we (each and every one of us) actively step up to the plate and swing the bat in an attempt to thwart the efforts of the animal rightists, we will lose not only the battle but the war. Our parent Clubs, AKC, and the other registries, need to worry less about their self interests than they do about a common enemy at the moment.
“If you belong to other lists, please cross post this message … and don’t consider your job done when you’ve cross posted. Lets start the flow of letters. Talk to every dog, cat, and animal owner you know. Make them aware of the threat.
“If you’re a rancher, goat herder, dairy farmer, sheep rancher (or if you know any) point out the danger to your fellows. Engage them, enrage them, enlist them!
“We need action from each and every one of you. Let’s become pro-active so that when an ordinance is introduced locally or a bill is introduced in your state or in Congress, your representatives already know how you feel. Let them know of the numbers of pet owners in this country that oppose the legislation written by the animal rightists under the guise of animal welfare. Let them know that the system is not broken and that there is no need to fix something which is not broken.
“Don’t be afraid to praise the breeders of pure bred animals, be they dogs, cats, cattle, goats, sheep, horses or whatever. Don’t be afraid to tell your story and why you are a breeder or an owner. Enlist your buyers in telling their representatives why they want a pet. Share the stories of your successes, not only as a breeder, but as someone who has brought joy to families who have purchased pure bred dogs.
“Perhaps, we can begin to turn the tide if we become missionaries and spread, with zeal, the damage the two groups can do to the American Way Of Life!!!”
Gregory Alden Betor
March 7, 2009 at 1:30 am
I am taking the money that I put aside for Nationals and donating it to the Ohio Valley Dog Owners, Inc and to The American Sporting Dog Alliance whom continue to fight for our rights to own animals. michelle
March 7, 2009 at 4:40 am
Interesting points, Cares about animals.
I. You said:
“HB 2470 is a good bill that would require some very basic necessities – such as a reasonable temperature and comfortable cage sizes for the animals in a puppy mill.”
I have several questions for you:
1. What scientific background and animal husbandry experience do you possess which would help you determine what a ‘reasonable temperature’ or ‘comfortable cage size’ is for puppies?
2. Do you think this temperature and cage size might vary for breed, climate, activity level, temperament, age, etc?
3. Do you really believe legislators have any idea how these requirements might need to vary depending on the animal, its’ circumstances, its’ genetic heritage and other factors?
4. How would anyone who has no experience working with dogs of all breeds and in all potential kennel situations have sufficient knowledge to design or designate ‘reasonable’ or ‘comfortable’ conditions?
5. H$U$ makes recommendations for shelter confinement of dogs, but owns and has created no state-of-the-art kennels – nor does it have staff which has done so. How is H$U$ qualified to make the suggestions found in HB 2470?
6. The term ‘puppy mill’ was first used by the animal rights industry several decades ago. It was created by animal rights groups with the specific intent to use it to slander and degrade pet breeders, all of them, in the eyes of the public. It has been used in reference to kennels housing hundreds of animals… and families owning 10, 5 or fewer natural unaltered dogs, cats and their progeny. People raising a mere one or two litters a year – or one litter a decade – have all been branded ‘puppy millers.’ This extreme use of the term by animal rights proponents effectively renders it meaningless.
Hard to let go of this term? That in itself is telling.
II.You also said:
“HSUS has taken a clear stand on supporting companion animal ownership and responsible breeders that take care of their canine family members. They do not have subversive motives.”
I have several more questions for you:
The Department of Homeland Security has placed H$U$ on its’ ‘watch’ list of eco-terrorist support groups. Here is a link to a recent document:
http://www.wikileaks.org/leak/dhs-ecoterrorism-in-us-2008.pdf
(see page 9, for starters)
Here is a link to recent testimony by Congressman Charles W. Stenholm:
http://agriculture.house.gov/testimony/110/h70508/Stenholm.DOC
How and why do you believe you know more than the Department of Homeland Security about H$U$?
How and why do you believe you know more about H$U$ than a Congressman testifying under oath to a House Committee on Agriculture? If the Department of Homeland Security believes that H$U$ has close ties to terrorist groups, how do you justify your statement that H$U$ does not have subversive motives?
III. Again, you stated:
“Also, I don’t need to talk to my teacher for an explanation – I can read a mission statement and I can read the text of HB 2470, but I can’t read your comments and even hope to understand why you’re so mad.”
We all know the ability to read is of course not the same as the ability to comprehend. I believe the poster was referring to the lack of cognition evident in your support of this bill. Often the addition of increased protein – specifically animal protein such as meat, cheese, and eggs – is advised by medical doctors to increase reasoning ability; you might want to check with your physician to see if that is an option for you.
March 7, 2009 at 7:19 am
I do not consider a responsible breeder to be a puppy miller no matter how many Dogs he or she has. HB2470 is meant to help animals in deplorable conditions. As you protect your rights, bad things are happening to Dogs that aren’t in your care.
Your links are biased – as are the ones that I won’t bother to post. We just think differently. There must be a way to get together for the good of all.
Also, I’d really appreciate it if the personal insults would end – this is not the subject.
March 7, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Michelle, I will not be supporting the CCA National this year either, and will be donating the money set aside for expenses to The American Sporting Dog Alliance. When I make the donation, I am going to include a note saying this is in honor of the Collie breed which is not being protected by its national breed club or the AKC. Our beloved Collie has no protecting breed club nationally. I used to belong to AWCA but even that seems to be run by ARistas these days.
March 7, 2009 at 7:54 pm
The time has come to reinforce and promote ethics and honor in our world. This type of behavior is counterproductive to the survival of our purebreds and should not be tollerated.
March 8, 2009 at 1:22 am
Hi again, Cares about animals. It’s fascinating that you seem determined to draw attention away from the primary point of this article: that Ted Paul should have his membership in the CCA and his license to judge AKC shows rescinded due to his support of the anti-dog breeder, pro-ecoterrorist organization called The H$U$. Mr. Paul’s words and actions go against both the CCA and the AKC’s codes of ethics, and should not be tolerated by either organization.
You say:
“I do not consider a responsible breeder to be a puppy miller no matter how many Dogs he or she has. HB2470 is meant to help animals in deplorable conditions. As you protect your rights, bad things are happening to Dogs that aren’t in your care.”
What is a responsible breeder? Everyone has a different definition. This bill has nothing to do with being responsible, and everything to do with punishment for owning or caring for pets which have not had their reproductive organs ripped out and thrown away.
So, you’re saying large boarding kennels (where people send bitches in heat so they don’t have to deal with them for three weeks), obedience training kennels, police dog kennels, hunting dog kennels, service dog kennels – all of these highly important facilities should be punished for existing?
Are you saying that all of these businesses – which gainfully employ people during this awful economy – should require spay/neuter certificates now from their boarders in addition to shot records? Are you saying that police dog, hunting dog and service dog kennels must now limit their breeding programs because if they get “too big” HB 2470 will nail the owner/operators?
It does not matter what, in your opinion, HB 2470 is “meant” to do. All that matters is what a law SAYS – it must be enforced to the letter, not to the author’s thought process.
You also say:
“Your links are biased – as are the ones that I won’t bother to post. We just think differently. There must be a way to get together for the good of all.”
It’s your choice what you choose to read and believe – we do live in America, thank God.
The Department of Homeland Security’s opinion, however, should carry a LOT of weight since organizations that support terrorists are being investigated and even disbanded with heavy legal consequences for members of those groups. If I were the CCA and the AKC, I would talk to attorneys about the potential implications of continuing to allow privileges to someone who’s adamantly in support of a group on the DHS watch list.
“Getting together for the good of all”… ah, yes. The animal rights movement has taught for decades the theory of ‘let’s compromise.’ They start with zero, breeders start with 100% of their rights. They ‘compromise’ and now breeders have 90% of their rights. Animal rights activists insist that things are still not perfect, so they ‘compromise’ again, and now dog breeders have… oh dear… just 50% of the rights they had thirty years ago. But that’s not enough; the animal rights industry giant H$U$ now has over $120 million in its’ coffers, and it wants more legal ‘compromise’… do breeders now have even 40% of the rights they enjoyed just twenty years ago?
Lastly you say:
“Also, I’d really appreciate it if the personal insults would end – this is not the subject.”
Cares about animals, the subject is Mr. Ted Paul and he and his wife’s very public support of a group which has repeatedly stated its’ eventual goal is to destroy the breeding of purebred dogs, and which is on the Department of Homeland Security’s watch list as an eco-terrorist support group. I was merely offering advice – which you can of course ignore.
March 8, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I have seen the ARistas capture people with
limited intellectual ability, but great ego, lots of
money, and celebrity in many areas. Most often
they are Hollywood types. The dog show world
has plenty of them too. That is how clubs get
corrupted, by those mainly interested in the
prestige of being the big shot in the ring or on
the board. With the real dedicated breeders and
fanciers being the majority, that kind of person
has, in the past, only been an irritant and not been
able to do much real harm. That is why no one
ever worried too much about being associated with
them before. Now that we have the ARistas ready
to use suchlike people for their own purpose, however,
they are not just an irritant any more, they are
dangerous. Times have changed, and we must
change with them for our own preservation.
March 9, 2009 at 4:25 pm
For those of you who would like to hear the arrogant tone in Ted Pauls testimony, I have the audio of his testimony on my website. The link is http://bluwaterkennels.com/collie/tedpaul.htm
It has been plenty of time for our parent club to speak out against this, but yet they have not. How disappointing! Some of you are right, Ted has a right to have an opinion…BUT not when he thinks/implies that he is speaking on behalf of the CCA. He does NOT represent the majority and being a private club…the CCA has every right to throw him out! The president should be thrown out as well!
All I know is when it comes time to renew my membership next year, I will be sending them a letter requesting them to remove me from their mailing list as I will NOT belong to nor support an organization who sides with H$U$. Are they not everything the CCA is supposed to be against? Or are they now for it….since Ted & the president of the CCA are long time friends?
March 13, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Here is my suggestion: The Collie National Show is in a few weeks. Those attending need to formulate a petition now, and organize a group to be passing it around among the members and directors calling for the board to act immediately on the dismissal of the HSUS representative slash CCA member. All directors and board members must be given opportunity to sign and show their position. The petition needs to be presented to the CCA president before the close of the event, and the presentation needs to be witnessed by several parties. Copies need to be kept and circulated widely to show what has been done. AKC needs to be notified, as well. If this is done and no action results, the president and board member positions will be in jeopardy and appropriate action should then result. The CCA is supposed to represent the best interests of the Collie, and when it flagrantly does otherwise, the members need to organize and act.
March 13, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Greg this is an excellent suggestion. Let’s hope it is acted upon as it would definitely make the executive of the CCA prove their accountability to the membership..if they fail then they too need to get the boot. The CCA is nothing without its members so the powers that be had best sit up and take notice.
If the majority of CCA members want action they need to make that VERY clear..and what better place to do this then at the National??
March 13, 2009 at 8:50 pm
I think this is outrageous that someone who is a AKC judge would be on the side of the HSUS. If we all ban together we can fight this but there will be those who still will enter the Nationals. One year of no one going could make a big impact on this. I will never enter a show that has Paul as a judge. I read that Bob and Paul are friends and there is nothing wrong with that but the friendship sound not interfere with Bob being the President of CCA. He should stand up for the CCA and what the members want not on the side of his friend. I love my dogs and have tested them for all things that I can and am not afraid to put it up on my website for everyone to see. I have only had one litter of collies and that was back before I knew or learned of all the testing that should be done and have not had a litter in the past 20 years and will not until it is the right pair and they past testing. My dogs have a loving place in my home. They are groomed everyday and bathed every other week. They have their own building that is air conditioned and heated with a dog door that they can go in and out of any time they want. My husband and I spare no expense when it comes to our dogs. They are as much our family as our kids are. We play in the back yard daily. They sleep at our bedside. It would be a very sad day if there were no longer any dogs or for that matter animals in this world.
March 14, 2009 at 5:13 am
I love my collies, and I’d looked forward to joining the national breed club (I’m a newbie- I’ve been showing for two years and still need one more sponsor) but this is offputting enough that I’ve decided that just joining my local club is okay with me. This kind of affliation isn’t something I want or need! I spend a LOT of time fighting local legislation, why would I want to spend money every year to support a group who thinks the rights of individual breeders are less important than a single member’s opinions. If he wants to make his opinions known, he should make it clear hes NOT speaking as a representative of the club, let alone the fancy at large!
March 23, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Okay collie people, so who is going to bring that petition and circulate it at your national? Where does the line form? Are the collie breeders as serious about making themselves heard as the HSUS is about making fools of you all? So many breed people talk the talk, but now you have a chance to walk the walk. I know collie breeders are reading this blog. Just tell them right here where to look for you with that petition. I sure hope you do it! You will not have this chance again for another whole year!
March 24, 2009 at 6:31 pm
I agree that something needs to be done, a petition…something, and the Collie people do look like push overs to allow Ted Paul and the H$U$ speak on behalf of the parent club. How can we, in our breed, expect other breed clubs and dog organizations such as the sporting dog alliance do anything to fight these bills when our breed club won’t do it! What an opportinity that we have to make mark in history and what a shame that nothing will be done!
I am not sending any dogs to the Nationals and from the sounds of it, only 1/2 are going than previous years, around 750 dogs this year and down from 1500. Whether it is the economy or this issue at hand that is lowering entries, one thing can be certain….those who are probably going to the Nationals will not even mention this as the sable merle issue is of much more importance. Question now is, what good will these ribbons be, the winning, and the sable merle issue…how important will they be when we don’t have dogs as pets anymore? Wanna bet that a petition or something isn’t done at Nationals?
March 27, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Once again, the collie people have outdone themselves. Once again they will run off to their national show with their heads in the sand thinking it is all about loving cups. Not one person to step forward and bring a petition to oust a freaking H$U$ spokesman from the ranks as an approved judge!
Unbelievable!! The rest of the purebred dog fancy hangs their heads in embarrassment. Shame on everyone who goes to that ridiculous excuse for a show!
March 29, 2009 at 2:27 pm
The problem with bringing a petition to the national is that most of us who know what the CCA is all about have already quit the club in frustration. The ones who still belong, most of them are afraid of the “good old boys”
(stupid!) or they really just have no clue. I agree it is shameful that none
of the informed people going have the guts. If there were time, I might rejoin just to circulate the petition! Shees people!
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